Placing and Controlling the Cascade's Digital Director in a Remote Location

Hi all, pleased to report that I’m joining the Cascade Club! Order was placed yesterday and I’m now in the production queue.

This is likely a question best answered by Daniel but posting it for the benefit of other Cascade owners who may cross the same bridge…

Due to space constraints in my particular set up, my Aurender is located in my office which is close but not adjacent to my listening room. Heretofore, I’ve gotten away with this arrangement by using the ProUSB/ISL interface to connect my Aurender and Select II DAC via a 50 foot fiber cable that runs in the crawl space beneath these two rooms. Once I take possession of the Cascade, my intention was to also place the Cascades’ DD in my office near my Aurender to afford greater isolation and free up shelf space in my listening room. However, if I were to pursue this arrangement, I believe I would lose the Cacade’s LED in the listening room and likely require an IR repeater to control the Cascade from the living room. Daniel, do you have any thoughts regarding my planned set up and/or the best way to “remote control” the Cascade if its DD was placed outside the listening room?

Thanks in advance!

Blake

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Hi Blake,

I’m not @Daniel_Gullman (of course), but I’m taking the liberty of intervening anyway since the issue could also concern me.
Have a look here since I guess the best (and cleanest) way to remote control the DAC (and maybe also the equipment connected to it) via RS232.
Of course you’ll need a supervisor (Crestron, AMX, Control4, Savant, others) or a programmable remote control equipped with this capability (RTI, Harmony, others) and you are done :+1:t2:

Another way, cheaper but also not that elegant (even if it works) is to buy and “IR extender on LAN cable” and this is what you have to type in google to find the availability of products in your area.

An example is this one:

As you can see there is a transmitter and then a receiver with 4 outputs in this case, and you’ll just need one. Beetween them you have to run a CAT5e/6e cable of a maximum lenght of 450m (roughly 1476,38 feet, I guess enough for you application :smiley: ).

The price here in Europe is almost 70 Euro, so you should be able to spend the same in your Country.

In this way you’ll have to point the MSB remote there you’ll place the transmitter and the volume will change accordingly.
Consider anyway that IR transmission is unidrectional while the RS232 is bidirectional (you got a feedback of the command sent and aquired) and plus on an home automation system you’ll have also a graphic feedback of your action or the info displayed on the DD of the DAC.

Thanks, gentlemen. These are both good ideas. If I proceed, I like the idea of controlling via RS232, via Savant which is the AVL automation platform we use at the house. That would provide me all the benefit of the DD’s LED interface in my listening room. While it’s unlikely, I wonder if Savant may already have MSB’s RS232 commands in their library? I will ask.

Saying that, it would be helpful to understand whether utilizing an RS232 connection could degrade the sonic performance of the DD since the RS232 cable would tie back our home’s main AV equipment racks in which a bunch of noisy equipment reside that are on a different power circuit (potentially opening the door for ground loops, etc). Daniel, perhaps you could share your thoughts on this?

Thanks,
Blake

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If you need it, we have a google sheet of the full list of RS232 commands available for the Cascade. You can find it at the link below or on the Cascade support page on our website.

Thanks, Kevin. Could an RS232 connection introduce noise or grounding issues in the DD per my question above?

Zero , zero :+1:t2:

This is indeed the best way to control the unit. :+1:t2: :smiley:

The RS232 is a isolated interface so I wouldn’t worry much about noise. It won’t create any ground loops either.

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Congratulations Blake! It looks like everyone chimed in already, but here here to what they said. RS232 would be the way to go :+1:

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