JPLAY - Looking for user feedback

@mcmt4 I am using the Antipodes K21 streamer which has the Logitech Squeezebox server/player softwares already installed. So you need a computer or streamer that already has rhe Squeezebox apps installed so use Squeeze with Roon.

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Roon has become a big disappointment. There is no sonic improvement with the latest Roon update 2.65. To me, it is sounding worse. And the latest update is not compatible or supported by QNAP. My Roon Server was running on my QNAP. All that has had to change. :slightly_frowning_face:

Yikes! With enough feedback, maybe they will do a rollback. That doesn’t sound good :confused:

Hi Daniel. Thanks. You should see the Roon forum presently, replete with frustrated QNAP users, and all the high-tech and bewildering talk about docker and container to run a Roon image on… oh man, what a mess! Roon has really messed up this time. And dare make one negative comment on their forum, you get burnt at the stake.

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Apparently QNAP hasn’t updated their major glibc version in 10 years. I don’t see this as Roon’s fault. I would be mad at QNAP.

Sorry, I mean no disrespect, but that is not very helpful to my situation. Roon nucleus is not available in my country. Yes, it is so that QNAP has lagged behind, but over all these years one of their big sales pitches has been that you can run Roon core / server on it, in an audiophile system. I bought my QNAP for that very reason. I now have to resort to using a Mac Mini as my Roon server, linking the music folder to my QNAP. It’s cumbersome operation and UI. A lot of QNAP users have been adversely affected, which is clear on the Roon forums. I have written to QNAP about this. The fact is that docker and container operation for non-IT individuals such as myself is a serious problem. And after all of this hassle with this latest update, there is no sonic improvement to Roon.

Roon has never directly supported the use of their software natively on any NAS platform. A guy named Christopher Rieke developed native installers to run Roon on the most popular consumer NAS platforms. He did this for free in his spare time as a hobby. You likely downloaded one of these installers free of charge from his website roononnas.org. With the popularity of people running Roon on NAS devices in spite of it being officially unsupported, Roon decided to officially support them. However, they chose to do this via Docker so the environment they run in is more consistent across platforms. This approach also opens up other platforms where Docker is available. I chose to use one of Christopher’s free installers to run Roon on my Synology NAS about 5 years ago when In paid $1 for a 3 month Roon trial. It worked well, so I decided to continue using Roon in this way knowing full well I was not on an officially supported platform and I might have to migrate to a different platform in the future. If that day ever comes for me, I will not blame Roon. I consciously put myself in this situation.

No, I downloaded it from the app center on the QNAP platform.

But your mileage is better with Roon, which is fine.

We do, however, have different experiences and circumstances. So, let’s try and respect that. After all, as fellow MSB owners, we are looking for the same thing.

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Let me get this straight. QNAP decided to put a freeware installer on their App Store. Then they let their platform get out of date to the point the software the freeware installer enabled wouldn’t run anymore. And now you are mad at Roon, who never endorsed any of this. I stand by my original statement. I would be mad at QNAP. You of course can choose to be mad at anyone you like.

It’s also not that hard to make your own Roon Nucleus with a small NUC computer, and you use a USB key to load the ROCK software onto the NUC. From a device (PC/Mac/iPad/phone) set the ROCK as your Roon Server, then you can point Roon to your NAS based music files, and you are good to go. I have used the QNAP based Roon server software in the past, but the ROCK devices are solid, and snappier than the QNAP NAS for this purpose.

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@Bones13 Well said. That is my plan should I find a need to make a change. I put a lot of memory in my Synology NAS, so the file system cache is huge. This and not using any DSP features seems to result in good performance even though it is also my photo server, Time Machine server for my Mac, and Syslog server for my firewall. I do expect I will eventually run out of luck with all this on the little Celeron processor. :joy:

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It was a much needed modernization of the software platform, to better manage ram and cpu resources.

It should take you once to go through the docker setup. Once there, you will probably find a room server that actually will work better on your nas. I can tell I felt a big performance leap with my asustor nas.

as for sound quality, they always held the instance that bits are bits, and once they are delivered to the dac, it is the dac’s job to make a difference. I have never heard the sound quality to get better or worse following roon updates.

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I have always had Roon on an Intel Fam 8 NUC I7 with 8 gb of ram: years of operation without any problem and processing power many times higher than that of a Qnap !! In fact, I regularly use Muse’s DSP adjustment… A used NUC with Roon Rock costs a few pennies and does a wonderful service… For your information: Qnap still allows the installation of Roon from its program library… But the very old 2023 version !! Is this not fair behavior for us users !!

Thanks. But I do know that.

From the NAS app developer himself:

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After reading this thread, I have to ask… What streaming software does MSB use in their listening room?

For the best sound quality when playing local files, I’m a fan of uPNP and I use minimserver and Jplay as a control ap.

My experience with both my Cascade and my Select is Qobuz connect offers the best sound quality followed by a close 2nd and third between uPNP and Roon. I lean towards minimserver to avoid the constant upgrades and ensuing sound quality variability with Roon.

I’m sorry for stirring this up once again but I’m curious about what MSB uses themselves.

We use Qobuz Connect for almost all listening now. For local files, we have found Aurender with Pro USB to be a reliable, consistent, and good sounding source. Our goal is to have a source that doesn’t get changed on us often. When developing new products the less variables we have to deal with the better.

We hear you on avoiding the upgrades :sweat_smile:

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