(Updated on 31 Oct) Burn-in for my Discrete DAC is over finally

Discrete DAC seems to require very long time for burn-in before reaching its highest performance. (Or it’s actually the same for all MSB DACs?)

I got my Discrete DAC in July 2024.
Just out of the box, it sounded smooth and warm. (Honestly, I had never heard my Elac speakers giving such warmth in the past 15 years, and I didn’t think they can do it). But meanwhile, I also got the feeling that it could perform better in the aspects of dynamics and “openness”.

As my Discrete DAC sounded very different from the one I previously borrowed from my friend, I called him and asked if I had missed something or not… and the answer was:i
“Yes, PATIENCE is what missing.”
That’s where I started the burn-in process of my Discrete…

Since then, starting playing music has become the first thing I do in every morning, and stopping playing has also become the last thing I do before going to bed in every night.

The 1st leap of performance came when the accumulated time of playing hit 460 hours, and it ended after reaching 620 hours. During that period, macro-dynamics kept improving like steps, 1 step for every 2 or 3 days. This is the second greatest leap in the whole burn-in process.

The 2nd leap came when it hit 940 hours, and ended when it hit 1080 hours. While further improvement in macro-dynamics happened in this period, the most obvious improvement was actually in the aspect of clarity and “openness”. I didn’t sense any compression in sound anymore since then.

The 3rd leap came when it hit 1480 hours, and ended when it reached 1640 hours. Improvement in this period was the greatest one (and the most impactful one to me) in the whole burn-in process. Micro-dynamics revealed throughout this period. I started to feel the “texture” of singers’ voices… the voices became so full of details, and hence become so real and natural as if a real person in flesh and blood actually standing in my living room, singing in front of me.

Something weird happened afterwards. From 1710 hours to 1940 hours, the micro-dynamics just kept coming and going. It was there on one day, and it was suddenly gone on the very next day, kept missing for 2 or 3 days, and then came back suddenly. I didn’t know what’s going on, and my friend neither. (By that time, my Discrete had already got way longer burn-in time than his)

The weird thing stopped at about 1940 hours, and I have not observed any further changes since then. That was March 2025…

BUT THIS IS NOT THE END!

The burn-in process needed to be started all over again, because…
I upgraded to Premier Powerbase in May 2025.

This time, I’ve got the impression that burn-in of a powerbase is much more difficult than a Discrete Power Supply. It took more time before seeing the 1st and 2nd leap of performance. I have already spent over 2300 hours on the Premier Powerbase, and there is still no sign of the 3rd leap (and I am even not sure if it will come or not)

I guess there is still a long way to go…

(Updated on 31 Oct)

Another leap of performance started when accumulated burn-in time hit 2620 hours, and ended when it reached 2850 hours. Just like the situation of the 3rd leap with Discrete Power Supply, micro-dynamics revealed during this period.

(I forgot to mention that my Discrete DAC is not being used as pre-amp since day 1, and thus the output level is being kept as “Low” (-6 db) all the time… I guess this might be a reason why it requires so much time for burn-in.)

Anyway, I am glad the wait is over!

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Kudos for doing to the long term work here. I honestly have never done such long term comparison as we are constantly changing products at the factory. Keep us posted!

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We appreciate your feedback about long term burn in. But I will suggest that the variability after 1940 hours is very likely changes in power quality. I have seen this around the US. Some areas have reasonable power quality and some are almost untreatable. A simple meter for power line noise is available here: EMI (Dirty Electricity) Meter

The plug is for 12 volt. I always warn people not to chase small changes in the noise numbers. Changes that are 30% or much more are starting to be audible.

You might also consider ether Internet filtering. With the bombardment in our homes of cell towers, Wi-Fi, digital TV and radio stations, interference conducted on the ethernet cables and airborne interference is more pervasive than ever.

We are interested in hearing your long-term results and

any improvement that you might be able to identify.

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Thanks for the tips.

While my Discrete is getting power from PS Audio P5, my amp is just directly powered by the wall socket. I have connected 2 ground boxes to my fuse boxes for noise reduction, but I always doubt if that’s adequate or not. Will definitely get a meter to check.

For Ethernet, I don’t know much about filtering… may I know what gadgets should I get? At this stage, I am just relying on SFP+ (single mode) to isolate my switch for AV equipments (not an audiophile switch) from noisy home network. Meanwhile, I am also using a Kojo Technology EPL-G, which serves as a virtual ground for that switch.

I’ve used an Activ Audio filter and an iFi power supply.

Just googled it and…

WOW! That’s something I can’t afford currently :sweat_smile:

I use the UpTone Audio etherRegen. Since I got the Digital Director, I only use copper Ethernet, with the DAC on the clean side by itself.

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Oh… right! I heard about that before.

Thanks! Will learn more about it.