About MSB Fiber Connections

MSB Fiber Connections - Stock SFP Transceivers and AOC Cables

This technology can get complicated fast, so please watch the entire video or read this entire guide all the way through before experimenting with your MSB equipment. Your DAC could be permanently damaged if the wrong cabling is used. There are a lot of names and technical configurations we will be discussing, so please check the “Cable Specifications” portion of this guide before purchasing any cabling to ensure it will be compatible.

Our ProISL and Cascade fiber link is not Ethernet. It is not based on fiber ethernet protocols in any way. And it runs at much lower power levels than fiber ethernet interfaces. Plugging ethernet fiber into an MSB product can burn out the optical receivers and will require replacing the SFP modules.

We use SFP fiber technology as a physical platform, but the data and the way we use it is completely unique to MSB. Pro ISL protocols are entirely different from the link between Digital Directors and their Analog Converters. There is absolutely no room for experimentation on gear configurations. Only use as intended and labeled.


Benefits of AOC

At MSB, we’re always exploring ways to reliably push performance through technology advancements. As it turns out, AOC connections show a lot of promise. Our DACs rely on fiber because it gives us total galvanic isolation with seemingly infinite cable lengths all while providing extreme data bandwidths.

The stock setup we ship with works very well as a reliable reference. But, like many of you, we’re curious — is there a way to get just a bit more out of an MSB DAC?

That’s where Active Optical Cables come in. An AOC combines the fiber cable and the transceivers into one closed system. No separate modules. No separate cable. A closed and perfectly matched system.

The simplicity of this system is key. You remove extra junctions with no mismatched parts, no dirty fiber ends, no half-seated connectors. This matched system can run at twenty percent reduced power consumption achieving further benefits with a lower noise floor. The cable itself is tuned for the specific laser light wave length and cable length and doesn’t need to overcome any air gaps.

While the results may vary somewhat by a listener’s system, the overwhelming response of our beta testers have consistently reported significant improvements using AOC on the Cascade DAC and Digital Directors alike.


Stock SFP Modules and Cables

Fiber SFP modules are hot swappable. That means you can experiment without powering off equipment, but you must exercise basic ESD precautions. Before touching the SFP module, always ground yourself to the chassis with your other hand.

Let’s first explain the stock configuration. Every DAC ships with two matched single-mode SFP optical modules, already installed. There will be a single-mode duplex LC fiber patch cable to connect them. This is a tried-and-true reliable system. You can plug and unplug this fiber cable almost indefinitely, and if any part wears out, it’s easy and inexpensive to replace.

But it does require some care.

When handling SFP modules and fiber cables:

  • Make sure the connectors are clean and free of dust.

  • Always push the cable in until you feel the click.

  • And double-check the latch on the module is closed. Leaving it open can cause grounding issues.

We recommend using this configuration for those of you who like to A/B test cables, gear, or swap connections often. It’s durable, modular, and designed for frequent changes.

For removing these fiber cables, depress the plastic locking clip and pull the cable. When inserting the cable, make sure the lock audible clicks into place. Make sure it is firmly seated.

To change out the SFP modules, swing the removal lever out. This will disengage the locking mechanism and allow the SFP module to be pulled free. Pull the module out by the lever arm itself, not the body. If the SFP module is unlocked correctly the module should slide out easily with little to no effort. If it seems stuck… DO NOT force it. It is likely still locked in place.


When inserting a new SFP module, make sure it is firmly inserted, then close the lever arm into its stored position. If this lever is left open, it can short the isolated connection to the chassis and will prevent the DAC from working.

DO NOT LEAVE THE RELEASE LEVER IN THE OPEN POSITION AS SHOWN BELOW


AOC Cables

Every time you remove and insert the cabling, you are wearing out a direct connection on the PCB motherboard itself. That means the wear point shifts from the removable and replaceable SFP modules to the motherboard. If worn out to an unreliable state, the motherboard will need to be replaced on both the Digital Director and Analog Converter. This will NOT be a warranty repair.

The sockets are only rated for a few hundred plug cycles. Depending on the SFP module, it could be as few as 200 to 300 insertions. For any home installation, this will not be a concern. If the system is installed and infrequently moved you will never run into this issue.

This is a severe warning for dealers, demos, and the enthusiast who wants to constantly experiment and A/B cabling in their system. It is a lot of insertions, but we want to make sure you are very aware of the potential cost when and if there is a related failure due to excessive insertions. We don’t want to scare you off from trying AOC, as the sonic benefits are well worth it for long term use.

To change out the AOC cable, simply pull on the integrated release tab. This will disengage the locking mechanism while the SFP module pulls free.

When inserting a new AOC cable, simply make sure it is firmly inserted and latched in place.


DO NOT Use the Following Cables - DACs and Passive Cables

Do not use Direct Attach Copper cables — often called “DAC” cables.

They may look similar to AOCs, but they bypass isolation, can carry electrical noise, and will damage your DAC’s motherboard.

Another cable to avoid is called a “passive” cable. This is a hardwired version and will similarly damage the product.

MSB products are designed specifically for optical cables/transceivers only.


Fiber Buying Guide

Tips for choosing replacement SFP modules and cables.

  • SFP modules need to be ordered as a set, and have the same module at both ends.

  • The ideal SFP module will be single mode, which has the lowest jitter possible.

  • Maximum power consumption must be under 2 watts, Ideally 1 watt or less for best performance

  • The cable ordered must match whatever SFP module type is ordered.

  • For example, a Single Mode SFP module should have a single mode Fiber patch cable

  • The cable length needs to be a minimum of 2 meters or longer in length.

  • We will have some recommended options included in the written guide.

Stock SFP Module - https://www.fs.com/products/75326.html?attribute=5939&id=4610587
Specifications:

  • Transceiver Model: SFP1G-LX-31

  • Compatible Brand: Generic

Stock Fiber Cable - https://www.fs.com/products/50147.html?now_cid=2866

Specifications:

  • Length: 2M or Greater

  • Connector A: LC UPC

  • Connector B: LC UPC

  • Fiber Grade: G.567.A1

  • Cable Jacket: LZSH

  • Cable Diameter: 3mm

  • Polarity: A (Tx) to B(Rx)

  • Color: Any

Tips for choosing AOC modules/cables.

If you want to try an AOC cable, here’s what to look for:

  • It must be 10 Gigabit SFP+ architecture.

  • Higher-speed cables like 25G or 100G may work, but they’re not optimized for audio use and can sometimes reduce performance. They will use additional power and add more noise to the system. More isn’t always better.

  • Maximum power consumption must be under 2 watts, Ideally 1 watt or less for best performance

  • Length doesn’t matter for AOC cables — pick whatever fits your setup.

  • Color doesn’t matter either — the orange and teal jacket colors are the same performance, it’s just an indicator for different manufacturing standards.

  • And remember, any brand of 10G AOC should work. This is a standardized platform, so anyone manufacturing to the spec should be a compatible option.

Recommended AOC Cable - https://www.fs.com/products/74607.html?attribute=10633&id=2101152

Specifications:

  • Length: Any

  • Compatible Brand: Any

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This is awesome thank you for sharing. One question, what is the technical reason for “The cable length needs to be a minimum of 2 meters or longer in length.”? I was intending to get a very short cable to just eliminate clutter. In the stack of the cascade it physically only needs to be 6 to 8 inches long. Thanks!

Unfortunately while making the written and video versions of this guide, that was one thing I failed to get more details on. :sweat_smile: @Jonathan_Gullman or @Dustin_Symanski should be able to answer the technicality of that requirement.

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And if using the AOC is the short length an issue in that configuration.

If using an AOC cable, you can go as short as you want!

For the standard cable, we recommend not going shorter than 2M for a very unusual reason. We found in our early testing of the ProISL that shorter cables tended to burn out the laser receiver…… At 2 meters, they were fine.

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I speculate that the short 1 meter cables sometimes burn out the transceivers because of too much coherent feedback into the laser diode from the far side cable reflection probably increases the laser power too much. Lengthening the cable to at least 2 meters probably reduces the coherence of the reflected light meaning more stable laser power and no burned out transceivers. AOC cables shouldn’t suffer from this problem because they are specifically designed and tested to work at the length they are sold as.

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Thanks for the share! Is it recommended to replaced the Pro-USB with AOC?

Could you please elaborate on the specific sonic benefits of using an AOC cable between Digital Director and DAC (Premier, Reference, Select or Cascade)?

Mine will be here tomorrow. Will share thoughts over the weekend.

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Is the optical isolation, particularly with an AOC cable, between Digital Director and sensitive DAC/analog converter, so great that up-stream things like fancy music servers or so-called audiophile network switches and add-on filters should make no sonic difference?

We have had reports that the performance has improved massively especially around soundstage and clarity. That being said, the changes have been more impactful for some vs. others. So we are still looking for feedback here on the forum as listeners share their results.

We have had little to no reports on improvements of the Pro-USB with AOC. I would think the benefits of AOC in the Analog Converter is the lower power consumption. That seemingly is not as important for the Pro USB going into the “noisy” digital director. We will continue to look for feedback here. Perhaps the AOC on the Pro USB with Premier, Reference, and Selects will have more of an impact than with the Cascade.

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If I understand it correctly, these instructions apply for both pro-ISL to DD and DD to,dac connections. Both connections can be replaces by AOC. Did I get it right?

Absolutely! You can replace either of those connections with an AOC cable. The biggest performance increase we have seen in most systems seems to be when replacing the link between the DD and DAC, but feel free to replace either connection and let us know what you expierence in your system.

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I not sure what is being talked about here… I would never of though of replacing the fiber cable that came with my Cascade with some other fiber cable…

Is what is being talked about here replacing the fiber cable that comes with the Cascade with the one @Kevin_Turnquist gave a link to https://www.fs.com/products/74607.html?attribute=10633&id=2101152

… and this might improve the performance of the Cascade?

Thanks,

Dan

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The “AOC” system is a pair of fully integrated SFP modules (the lasers and receivers) manufactured with a matched and permanently attached fiber optic cable. This allows the manufacturer to optimize the entire link, end to end, and reduce power consumption of the modules (because the fiber cable length is known during manufacture). In theory this reduces noise and jitter. In practice I have found the AOC cables to measure as well as single mode transceivers with clean properly inserted fiber cabling but at lower total power consumption. Many customers have reported an increase in performance with AOC cables.

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Ok so I am somewhat lost not about the cable but about the discussion regarding the Cascade. Mine does not have a SFP port. Unless I am missing something I can’t remove it as it’s mot attached via the normal SFP lock but is seems to be screwed in soooo what am I missing?

To hopefully help clear up some confusion I have added some photos to go with the text and there is a video at the top that has been added. It was added after the topic was created so many of you may have missed it. Sorry for the delayed/staggered release of the video and text portions.

@Dan , this is like an aftermarket exhaust system that removes the catalytic converter. We won’t be shipping AOC cables as the stock configuration, but it is absolutely worth your time to order and install the cable you just linked. A sonic upgrade. We are just promoting the aftermarket option for you all.

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Hopefully this helps to clear up some of the confusion.

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